morons

unfortunately i left it too late to go to the shops to get a times today, so when i got there they were all gone and i had to make do with an indo. feck it. i hate the indo it has, in my totally unsupported opinion, a smug, self satisfied, middle class, fianna fail, know it all air about it. the times gives the same feeling (but change fianna fail to left) but the quality if the argument is better. anyway, a good example (1) today of this is in the letters section with a few letter writers patting kevin myers on the back for his rant against climate change and a real humdinger of a letter from one conor o'riordan titled ''Universe could not have created itself''. mr. o'riordan enlightens us....

According to evolutionary theory, starting with the chaos and disorder of the Big Bang and the simplicity of hydrogen and helium gases, the universe created itself.

This is clearly a violation of natural law, namely the Second Law of Thermodynamics. According to this law an isolated system can never increase in order and complexity, transforming itself to higher and higher levels of organization.

except this is clearly not a violation of natural law, as first the laws of the universe as the name would imply came into being with the big bang. secondly the second law of thermodynamics states...

The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.

increasing entropy does not mean increasing simplicity it means increasing disorder. by the time the universe had developed to the point where hydrogen and helium existed as elemental gases the universe was highly ordered. matter existing in the main as only 2 gases, with small variations in density. simple but ordered. it has since gotten more disordered, matter existing as many elements and with wildly varying densities. this simple misunderstanding, that increasing entropy means simpler leads to this....

An isolated system will inevitably, with time, run down, becoming more and more disorderly. There are no exceptions. Contrary to this natural law, evolutionists believe the universe is an isolated system which transformed itself from the chaos and disorder of the Big Bang and simplicity of hydrogen and helium gases into the incredibly complex universe we have today. This is a direct violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If natural laws are natural laws, the universe could not have created itself.

utter rubbish. it hasn't occurred to him that even with the increasing order that results when a living thing turns simple molecules to more complex molecules is far outstripped by the increasing entropy of the universe (i.e the system) as a whole. next follows the standard creationist rubbish

The only alternative is that it is not an isolated system. There must be a Creator that is external to and independent of the natural universe who was responsible for its origin and who created the natural laws that govern its operation.

The design we see in living things is far too complex, too designed, too engineered to be the result of mere undirected, random forces. Even the simplest thing we could call "living" is vastly more complex than a super computer and super computers don't happen by chance. Every cell is composed of many constituent parts, each one marvelously designed and necessary for the whole.

Without any one of its parts, the cell could not live. All of it is organized and energized by the magnificent DNA code, an encyclopedia of information which, even though modern scientists can't read it, it is read and obeyed by the cell. Surely some things need a Designer/Author.

total shit. scientists can't read DNA??? jaysus better call the university departments, biotech and pharmaceutical companies and let them know then. idiot

(1)this smug know it all attitude can usually be seen in anything written by that puffed up bag of ego kevin myers, who incidentally motivated this letter with a spectacularly ignorant rant bemoaning evolution. gobshite